On 05/02/2013 03:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos of course, just like anything else, but they are things it makes a deal of sense to provide for offline users - probably more so than many of the candidates for removal so far - and there is a substantial PR benefit to including them. Most press don't understand the ins and outs of DVDs vs. live images vs. repositories vs. net installs and so on. I recall only one F18 review that accurately nailed the status of Cinnamon and MATE in F18 - in the repositories, available from net install, but no live image and not on the DVDs. Aside from that lone hero, the reviewers who actually bothered to download and install Fedora usually said 'you can't install Cinnamon or MATE at install time' (because they used the DVD and didn't know how network installs work). The 'reviewers' who just went off the release notes said "Cinnamon and MATE are included in Fedora 18!" and then readers who didn't understand the subtleties downloaded the DVD, saw it wasn't there, and bashed us, the reviewers or both.
Would there be a way to preserve the choice without taking the space, e.g. by offering a skeleton network installation package with a big fat warning that the whole thing requires a network download? This approach is used a lot in Windowsland: the initial install.exe is a small file that downloads the rest.
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