On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 14:53 +0000, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop > > Feature owner(s): Eric Smith <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Just some input on a few things that have been raised in this thread: 1. What is 'default'? The 'default' desktop in Fedora is: * What you get when you click on the big 'Download Now!' button at https://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora * What is selected by default in a DVD / network install * What's pictured in all the official screenshots in press stuff, documentation etc * What's documented in our official docs (mostly) 2. Can't we just not have a default? Not really. Others have touched on this, but the websites team really wants the simplicity of a straightforward 'Download' link that gets you a live image, and that pretty much requires a default desktop. We also have to have _something_ that we take pictures of for the docs. We could not select any desktop by default in DVD / network installs, but we tried that for F18 Alpha, IIRC, and I don't recall that anyone really liked it. 3. What does QA test? What do you think about this? If I can presume to speak for QA - in theory, changing the default desktop doesn't have a huge impact on us. Our desktop validation tests are written fairly generically, and already applicable to all desktops. We already provide the infrastructure for testing of multiple desktops: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test and ask users of the major Fedora desktops to provide results. What QA actually commits to testing is the set of 'release blocking desktops', which is currently defined - pretty much entirely for historical reasons - as 'GNOME and KDE'. We require that the GNOME and KDE columns on the test matrix (see above) be filled out and no release blocking bugs in those desktops be known, before a release goes out. If somehow this feature got accepted, what we'd do is give Cinnamon the position currently given to 'Desktop' in that matrix, adjust the text "The current set of release-blocking desktops is GNOME and KDE" on the release criteria pages (obviously this feature requires Cinnamon to be added to that set; whether it replaces one or the other, or is just added, would have to be settled), and...that'd be about it. Obviously, we'd then prioritize Cinnamon validation testing. If the proposal involved adding Cinnamon to the set of release blocking desktops, that would add 50% to our desktop validation testing workload (3 'release blocking desktops' rather than 2), which is a chunk of extra work but not impossible. If the proposal involved replacing one of the existing 'release blocking desktops', our workload would be mostly unchanged. My entirely personal take on this is that I don't really care that much, but I don't see a convincing case for the change. My personal opinion is that a lot of the 'GNOME sucks and everyone's switching to Cinnamon / MATE!' stuff in the press is inaccurate; whenever I see actual people using Fedora, they seem to be using GNOME 3. For e.g., at FUDCon NA, I saw a large majority of GNOME 3 systems, a few KDE systems, and I think less than 5 people running Cinnamon or MATE. And one of those was the MATE maintainer. :) But if somehow this change went through, I wouldn't mind. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
