I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode. When you come right down to it, nearly all Linux desktops can be easily customized to provide a Windows-like workflow (menu at lower left, panel at bottom) or a Mac-like workflow (menu at upper left, panel at top). All the major Linux desktops can do this. I've even done this with OpenBox and fbpanel. Personally I think the "Default Linux desktop" ought to *be* OpenBox and fbpanel - it would get the media sizes and RAM use back down to something sane. ;-) I spend most of my time in either the browser, a terminal or a GUI application like RStudio, LibreOffice or GIMP. That's all a Linux desktop needs, really - a browser, a terminal app and a menu/panel/taskbar/tray/clock/wifi/sound/weather app gizmo. You *do* need a good terminal app - I'd pick gnome-terminal over konsole or lxterminal or the XFCE terminal if I had a choice but I could live with any of them. Xterm is even acceptable if you have a 3-button mouse. ;-) But other than that, an awful lot of the "innovation" in Linux desktops seems to me to be wasted effort. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> I don't think Cinnamon as default desktop. Fedora always was of GNOME >> by default Desktop. However, I have to choose, I would choose KDE as >> default desktop. > > From the times Kevin proposed Plasma as default desktop - and the rest > of KDE SIG did not support it - it's mainly about resources. And not > only packaging ones, also development (to make sure desktop works on > top of our base system layer - and you know, Fedora is often first) > but documentation (yeah, someone has to write documentation), artwork > and all other teams I forgot to mention (sorry ;-). > > Btw. Board is trying to find the way how to avoid that strict > "something is default" - do you know based on this definition Compiz > should be part of our default offering [1]? > > And the last thing - GNOME is coming with so called "classic" UI - > see GNOME 3.8 feature page (I announced a few minutes ago) [2]. > > "Fallback mode is going away in 3.8. Instead, there will be a set of > supported extensions that is grouped together in a 'classic' mode, > which provides a more GNOME 2-like user experience" > > Same tries Cinnamon but as a fork. Make your own conclusion ;-) > > Jaroslav > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Default_offering > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3.8 > >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik < jreznik@xxxxxxxxxx >> > wrote: >> >> >> = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop >> >> Feature owner(s): Eric Smith < eric@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> This feature proposes that Fedora switch the default desktop >> interface from >> Gnome 3 to Cinnamon. Cinnamon provides a desktop interface that is >> more >> familiar to Windows and Gnome 2 users than the standard Gnome Shell >> interface, >> while being built from Gnome 3 components. >> >> == Detailed description == >> The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the traditional >> desktop >> interfaces on both Linux and Windows. While it is good that there is >> research >> into new user interface concepts, many users prefer to have a >> traditional >> interface that they are accustomed to. Unfortunately it is difficult >> or >> impossible to assess what fraction of the user base prefers Gnome >> Shell vs. a >> more traditional interface. I'm not trying to start (or continue) a >> flame war >> here, so I won't state any of my own criticisms of Gnome Shell here, >> but I >> will observe that a number of very high profile people in the Linux >> community, >> such as Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox, have publicly announce that due >> to >> problems with Gnome Shell they are switching to a different desktop >> and/or >> Linux distribution. >> >> I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new >> Fedora >> install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the Gnome >> Shell if >> they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a >> traditional >> desktop. >> >> The Cinnamon desktop provides a traditional desktop while being based >> on the >> latest Gnome and GTK components, so it seems like a better candidate >> for a >> default desktop than MATE, which is based on older components. >> _______________________________________________ >> devel-announce mailing list >> devel-announce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce >> -- >> devel mailing list >> devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel >> >> >> -- >> Álvaro Castillo >> >> Fedora Project, EMEA ambassador >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Netsys >> Linux user #547784 >> -- >> devel mailing list >> devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; Computational Journalism Publishers Workbench: http://znmeb.github.com/Computational-Journalism-Publishers-Workbench/ How the Hell can the lion sleep with all those people singing "A weem oh way!" at the top of their lungs? -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
