On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, drago01 <drago01@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Florian Weimer <fweimer@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On 11/15/2012 01:49 AM, Alek Paunov wrote:
>>
>>> So, to me it seems natural joining all above together to start thinking
>>> for replacing the classic python C bindings with thin textual or
>>> bytecode(*) LuaJIT/FFI shims in benefit of things with great set of
>>> dependencies like Anaconda (thanks to lupa, Lua objects behaves like
>>> Python ones in Python). The result will be order of magnitude easier for
>>> maintenance (towards the APIs evolution) and faster code.
>>
>>
>> LuaJIT is currently not available for our secondary architectures, so this
>> would need fixing first. ("not available" meaning exactly that, there is no
>> fallback to a slow C interpreter mode or something like that.)
>>
>> It's also not clear how significant the actual memory savings will be
>> because some of the Lua OO frameworks have quite a bit of overhead. And the
>> eventually arriving abrt plugin will bring some weight with it, too.
>>
>> This is nothing against Lua or LuaJIT. I just don't think that switching
>> programming languages will magically reduce resource consumption. This has
>> to be an explicit design goal, or else it is not likely to happen. I'm sure
>> it's possible to write resource-conserving Python code, too. It's just the
>> baseline overhead from the run-time system which is unavoidable, but that's
>> fairly small for Python (apparently less than 2 MB of unshared RSS per
>> process).
>
> Porting yum to python3 might be an easier task ... from the python 3.3
> changelog [1]:
>
> "The storage of Unicode strings now depends on the highest codepoint
> in the string:
>
> pure ASCII and Latin1 strings (U+0000-U+00FF) use 1 byte per codepoint;
> BMP strings (U+0000-U+FFFF) use 2 bytes per codepoint;
> non-BMP strings (U+10000-U+10FFFF) use 4 bytes per codepoint.
>
> The net effect is that for most applications, memory usage of string
> storage should decrease significantly - especially compared to former
> wide unicode builds - as, in many cases, strings will be pure ASCII
> even in international contexts (because many strings store non-human
> language data, such as XML fragments, HTTP headers, JSON-encoded data,
> etc.). We also hope that it will, for the same reasons, increase CPU
> cache efficiency on non-trivial applications. The memory usage of
> Python 3.3 is two to three times smaller than Python 3.2, and a little
> bit better than Python 2.7, on a Django benchmark (see the PEP for
> details)."
>
> [1] http://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.3.html
Oh seems like the large savings are just compared to python 3.2 ... so
would not really help.
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