On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 07:34:22PM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 11/14/2012 07:33 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:44:55AM -0500, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > >>On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Chris Adams <cmadams@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>Great - let's take something that people are using, remove that > >>>functionality, and not announce it! > >>> > >>>This is not cool; it represents one of my biggest frustrations with a > >>>bunch of the "new and improved" ways of doing things. You track down > >>>how to do something, it works for a few releases, and then it doesn't > >>>anymore with no notice. > >>I don't mind this much in isolation— and to some extent its > >>unavoidable if there is to be progress. > >> > >>I also have the experience and impression that Fedora often dismisses > >>use cases in the 'long tail' as things that "power users" can get by > >>twiddling some opaque config file or registry entry or hacking some > >>bit of code— this happens more often the closer you get to the > >>desktop, but believe its a culture which permeates the project more > >>generally than that. In isolation this too would be occasionally > >>frustrating but finite in baddness. > >> > >>The combination of the two— that anything non-stock is subject to > >>constant and often undocumented breakage _and_ that many non > >>nearly-universal use cases are too non-mainstream to consider > >>supportable stock features really diminishes the value I receive from > >>using a distribution at all. > >I was trying yesterday to formulate a question for the people running > >for FESCo along these lines; also what they thought about: > > > >https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4772133 > > > >However I wasn't able to formulate a snappy and non-carping question > >in time for the deadline. > > > >Still, I do believe it's something that FESCo (those elected and those > >standing for election) ought to address. > > Why are other OS and upstream decision/discussion int their regard > fesco problem? > > Should not their focus be first and foremost on our own distribution > and our own OS? No. I think it's important to behave well with the larger free software community, and that includes other Linux distros and *BSD. >From a purely selfish point of view, it leads to larger numbers of users testing our software in more configurations [different platforms, with and without different combinations of software installed], which is more likely to reveal bugs. Anyway, I'd like to hear what FESCo members have to say about this, because it would strongly influence who I would vote for. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-top is 'top' for virtual machines. Tiny program with many powerful monitoring features, net stats, disk stats, logging, etc. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-top -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
