On Wed, 2012-10-10 at 13:58 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Tue, 09.10.12 21:26, Matthew Miller (mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:19:59PM -0700, J. Randall Owens wrote: > > > Just on the naming, I'd rather steer clear of the actual concept, let me > > > get this straight: You want a group called "adm", presumably short for > > > "administrator", the point of which is that it can view system things, > > > but not actually *administer* them? Why on Earth call it "adm"? > > > > The group is already there, so it's not a big stretch, but I agree the > > naming is confusing when used in this way. ("wheel" isn't exactly > > straightforward either, but at least it's Traditional.) > > As I already mentioned: "adm" has been around for along time, and has > been used in this context in Debian since about forever. We just adopted > the same logic in systemd that already made sense on Debian for a long > time. It's very nice that debian uses this concept, but Fedora doesn't and had stricter policies. Can you explain the rationale for relaxing them (esp. wrt /var/log/secure aka authpriv.* messages) > In systemd we try to unify Linux a bit, part of that is to take > influences and be inspired by the various distros around. In this case > the Debian way made most sense to us, so we made it the default in > systemd, too. Except this is a regression in the security model IMHO. Note I am not saying it must not be done, but I want to understand if there is any value on it or you just picked it 'because Debian'. Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel