On 9 October 2012 17:18, Dan Williams <dcbw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> >> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then >> >> > use something else, not the journal. The journal is supposed to be >> >> > robust and do the right thing so that you can leave it unnatteneded and >> >> > whatever happens it didn't spill the disk or become unavailable. It's >> >> > supposed to be "zero maintainance". >> >> >> >> So in those cases rsyslog would be required, but would be seen as a >> >> post-install step. >> >> >> >> EG what you are looking at is building a GNOME-OS and for those sorts >> >> of tablets, etc the journal is right for that. The other cases like at >> >> a Hospital, trading firm or various .gov.XX then having rsyslog >> >> installed with audit post would be the way to get the needed features. >> > >> > If so, this seems unfortunate, because the other features discussed (e.g., >> > trustable metadata) would be very welcome in these environments. Can't the >> > enterprise have nice things? >> >> Sorry I didn't mean to make that either/or. The enterprise gets the >> journald but does not get to keep its contents unless there is a >> program that sends it to say rsyslog. > > Ah; I think what you meant to say is: > > "*IF* what you are looking at..." In my head I thought I wrote that *IF* until you pointed out I missed it. > but I'd suggest instead: > > "If you have strict requirements on time-based logging rotation or > certain audit requirements, then something like rsyslog(?) is required > in parallel with the journal. In most other cases (desktops, tablets, > many servers) the journal is sufficient." *patch acked* > No? > > Dan > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- Stephen J Smoogen. "Don't derail a useful feature for the 99% because you're not in it." Linus Torvalds "Years ago my mother used to say to me,... Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me." —James Stewart as Elwood P. Dowd -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
