On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Lennart Poettering <mzerqung@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I mean, have you ever tried to upgrade firefox while running firefox? If > you did, you know how awfully wrong that goes... [1] I run Mozilla's nightly builds and receive updates every day. They disrupt nothing because Mozilla has built infrastructure to make that possible. Firefox must be restarted for the updates to take effect, which is when it does the actual swapout of the staged files, but the restart is basically just a window flickering— tabs retain their state, including forms— in fact to prove the point I manually triggered it while writing this email. This is the direction Fedora should be heading in, if not quite as non-disruptive as what firefox does... and it's not that far off because with the exception of the recently written desktop infrastructure the system largely already support non-disruptive updates. By making updates regularly require reboots the incentive to bridge the gap is reduced and the expectations of a clean enviroment will increase until a rebootless update is as inconceivable in Fedora as it is in Windows. By making updates regularly require reboots you put users in an adversarial relationship with updates. Rather than being seen as something that helps them, updates will be seen as something that get in their way. Many will turn them off completely if you give them an option to do so. We don't have to speculate about the long term consequences of this path because we can already see it in the Windows world: e.g. On several occasions I have seen windows update disrupt presentations because the speaker was talking to the audience and didn't react fast enough to the snooze button on the mandatory updates they've been deferring. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
