On 05/14/2012 08:15 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2012-05-14 at 11:49 -0700, John Reiser wrote: >> On 05/12/2012 09:51 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:00:48AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: >>> >>>> So the set of people we'd be inconveniencing is exactly the set of >>>> people with no bandwidth and the inability to boot from anything larger >>>> than a CD. >>> Not only that - the people who have no bandwidth, the inability to boot >>> from anything larger than a CD and no USB ports that can be bootstrapped >>> from a bootloader sitting on a CD or floppy. >>> >>> USB has been required by Microsoft's logo program since 1999 and was >>> effectively ubiquitous on Pentium 2 before that, so the set of hardware >>> we're ruling out is at least 13 years old and more realistically >>> probably 15. We've already dropped support for x86 hardware that was in >>> production more recently than that. >> >> Reality can differ from the press releases. I have two running machines >> that contradict the conclusions above. Instead of 13 or 15 years, >> such an effective cutoff would be closer to about 8 years. I consider >> that to be uncomfortably young to be declared obsolete, especially >> when the declaration is issued at the end of a release cycle instead of >> at the beginning. >> >> The most important issue in this thread is ability to boot from USB2.0. > No, it isn't. mjg59 wrote: > > "the inability to boot from anything larger than a CD and no USB ports > that can be bootstrapped from a bootloader sitting on a CD or floppy." > > So you're talking past each other. You are assuming that direct boot > from USB is the minimum. Matthew reckons bootstrapping from a CD or > floppy is fine. You can bootstrap from a CD to then boot from USB drives: Example: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/16822/boot-from-a-usb-drive-even-if-your-bios-wont-let-you/ . -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
