On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 07:06 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:13 AM, Nils Philippsen <nils@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 13:16 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> I don't think a maintainer can realistically replace wide-spread user > >> based testing in a variety of environments. > > > > I didn't argue that this would be the case, but rather that persons who > > are developers/package maintainers can also wear a tester's hat as long > > as they can keep these roles separate. > > > >> In light of that, we can > >> either accept a maintainer +1 as "I tested this as I would use it and > >> it worked" (which should be implied by them submitting the update > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> already anyway), or we can disallow it as the policy says. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > No, implicitly assuming that the final package was tested just because a > > maintainer submitted it is wrong in my eyes. To me, a maintainer > > submitting an update simply means "I've built (a) new package(s) which > > should fix these problems, now it/they can be tested." It shouldn't make > > a shred of difference if a person testing an update package is a > > maintainer or not in this process. > > I meant that it should be implied that the package maintainer already > did some amount of testing on the package before they submitted it as > an update. A basic minimum touch test that it doesn't break things, > etc. This is entirely outside the updates process and just common > sense good practice. And this is just what you get when I submit an update, but don't confuse that with a +1 karma -- I'll only give that to actual packages which I have tested on a live system. In reverse, most times only updates for the distro I've running at the moment will get this, unless I bother to fire up a different VM for testing. Nils -- Nils Philippsen "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase Red Hat a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nils@xxxxxxxxxx nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
