On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 13:16 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > I don't think a maintainer can realistically replace wide-spread user > based testing in a variety of environments. I didn't argue that this would be the case, but rather that persons who are developers/package maintainers can also wear a tester's hat as long as they can keep these roles separate. > In light of that, we can > either accept a maintainer +1 as "I tested this as I would use it and > it worked" (which should be implied by them submitting the update ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > already anyway), or we can disallow it as the policy says. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ No, implicitly assuming that the final package was tested just because a maintainer submitted it is wrong in my eyes. To me, a maintainer submitting an update simply means "I've built (a) new package(s) which should fix these problems, now it/they can be tested." It shouldn't make a shred of difference if a person testing an update package is a maintainer or not in this process. > I don't think adding more definitions or steps to the existing policy > is really going to improve anything. Yet making a special case of testing by a maintainer makes the process more complicated. The policy regarding testing done by maintainers shouldn't be longer than one or two paragraphs and be summed up in "keep development and testing separate, ensure that your testing environment isn't negatively affected by your developing." Nils -- Nils Philippsen "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase Red Hat a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nils@xxxxxxxxxx nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel