On 07/27/2011 09:39 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:19:08 -0700, JK (Jesse) wrote: > >> On 7/27/11 2:03 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: >>> There is a big difference between "a package going backwards in its EVR >>> and staying there" and "a package getting untagged because it breaks koji >>> buildroot and with the plan to go forward in EVR as soon as the bug is >>> found and fixed". >> >> If it goes backwards to await a fix, that fix needs to be happening >> within the same day or so. > > Panu has mentioned that he will be looking into fixing this unexpected > breakage. If that isn't acceptable to you, feel free to provide a fix > faster. Rawhide now has rpm 4.9.1.1 which should fix the regressions. Apologies for taking so long with it, I didn't expect to be this busy AFK just like I did not expect such breakage with the 4.9.1 release. If further breakage is spotted (I certainly hope not, but...), untag and ping ffesti and jnovy in addition to me. >> Not prolonged so that updates fail on users' >> systems. > > Do they fail in this case? > Do you prefer rpm-build in koji buildroot to fail even longer? > An issue with rpm-build on Rawhide installations is minor compared with > Fedora's offical buildsys. > >>> In this case, the bad rpm-build broke koji builds, and since Rawhide >>> may eat babies, it can happen that Rawhide users need downgrade manually >>> while they have to wait for the fixed rpm-build. >> >> We are trying very hard to kill the notion that "rawhide may eat >> babies". It's non-productive. There are multiple ways to throw >> baby-eating updates over the wall for testing before they get into >> rawhide. Stop treating it like a dumping ground. > > Take off your pink glasses. Rawhide *is* a dumping ground. It breaks > users' installations regularly because of package maintainers using it > as exactly that, a dumping ground for potentially untested builds. In this case, nobody's system was at risk of being eaten alive, these issues "only" affected rpmbuild. Obviously rpm generating buggy packages is bad enough as it affects everything and the world, but sometimes s*** just happens no matter how much testing gets done before a release. - Panu - -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
