On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Michael Wiktowy wrote: >> The cognative dissonance required to misconstrue an extension >> framework that has provided people with a previously impossible amount >> of customization in Gnome as something negative is quite astounding. > > The complaint is not about the fact that GNOME 3 is extensible, but about > the fact that extensions are required for many things which should be built > in, either by default (e.g. the "shut down" entry in the menu) or as an > option. Yes. I happen to agree with that complaint and have installed the appropriate extension as a result. However, I was equally happy to just configure my power button to power off instantly rather than hibernate as an acceptable alternative that is in some ways even better than an option that pops up another dialog. ... and that complaint (which seems to snarkily creep into every single gnome-shell conversation regardless of applicability) has little to do with my response. Read it again in the context of the leap in logic from premise to conclusion in the quoted text ... and in the persecution complex replies further up ... and in various other numerous threads elsewhere that at time same time complain that Gnome developers are imposing their rigid world-view on them while, at the same time, offering an amazingly accessible extensibility ... a low enough barrier to entry that even I (with my meagre coding skills) am thinking of exploring the potential. I'm not terribly interested in making this another dog pile thread of people meta-arguing about people's world views of the way gnome-shell ought to have been designed and that everyone else besides them are flat-out wrong. There are many world-views out there. Some think that every option should be installed by default and selectable through configuration panels. Others think that good defaults should be chosen and that everyone should be forced into the model that was provided. I think that the gnome-shell option of offering a very basic, trimmed to the bone efficient desktop as a base to allow people to easily extend is a good middle ground that should satisfy the base-system-minimalists, total-newb-users and (maybe in time, once there are more extensions out there) the feature-maximalists all at the same time. Sometimes we have to get a little wet to get to the other side of the river. I just hope that other side of the river includes some system to configure extensions that doesn't involve editing text files or poking values into dconf using gsettings from the command line. /Mike -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
