On 05/10/2011 09:08 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On 5/10/11 4:54 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote: >> On Tue, 10 May 2011 13:07:22 -0400 >> Adam Jackson<ajax@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> If you need a usable system I recommend that you stay away from the >>> rawhide train until it hits alpha which is sometime late August if >>> memory serves me correct. >> (http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.testers/88881) >> >> Even then it occurred to me that, if people are being told to stay away for >> six months at a time, all is not as well as it should be. Even just >> waiting from the time of that message until the end of the F15 distraction >> is two months of down time... > August was probably an overstatement, sure. Depends on what people definition of usable is. As history/experience has shown when we hit alpha the most invasive changes usually subside and you have a semi workable desktop for the average reporter to ride on. Granted that the "No Frozen Rawhide" proposal has gotten us to have the alpha status more or less in the shape of what beta used to be and from my point of view the no frozen rawhide proposal is turning out to be a win win for maintainers and the QA community and I personally prefer that we continue walking on the none frozen path. We the more experienced ones jump on the rawhide train as soon as the release we have been working on gets out the door and we ( QA ) want to focus and urge reporters to stay on branched so we can get as much test covering as possible on what we are about to release. JBG -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel