On Tue, 14.12.10 13:53, Miloslav TrmaÄ (mitr@xxxxxxxx) wrote: > Changing the semantics of /etc/fstab without any consultation with > fedora-devel or even notification of Fedora that something so > long-standing is changing is hardly constructive either. > > I can happily live with "systemd is a new, better init system" without > knowing the details. I consider "systemd replaces 15% of /etc and > changes semantics of another 5%" without discussing the details in > advance unacceptable for the distribution as a whole, although this > decision is of course FESCo's. All these things are actually discussed very much on IRC, and systemd upstream mailing lists and similar places. Quite a few people from various distirbutions have been involved and whenever we feel it really is necessary to inroduce a configuration file for something we don't take this decision lightly, and involve a lot of people so that we come to a soltuion that people from all distributions can live with. Also, in every case where we actually introduced a new configuration file we carefully made sure to provide compatibility to the previous per-distribution configuration files. For example: every distro placed system-wide locale settings in a different configuration files. After doing a survey we felt that it was most appropriate to unify this in a new configuration file /etc/locale.conf instead of declaring any of the existing solutions the new standard for systemd-based systems. However, if systemd is built on Fedora we actually do fall back to /etc/sysconfig/i18n, to provide a sane upgrade path. I guess what I want to say is that all of this is openly discussed with input from a lot of people. Yes, we don't have discussed this on fedora-devel, but a) I am pretty sure that the subscribers of this ML wouldn't like the amount of traffic this would generate and b) this is not really fedora-specific, but something to discuss with other distros too, and c) I haven't really experienced fedora-devel as a great place to discuss technical things with constructive input, but mostly as a place where people (not all, but definitely too many) are "negative-by-default" and like implying that we 1) want to destroy Unix/Linux, 2) are idiots or 3) would decide everything behind closed doors. Or, to turn this around: if you want to have a say, if you want to influence systemd's design, then join devlopment upstream, or otherwise become involved. Just standing on the sidelines and expecting that we will ask you personally for your kind comments, is not going to happen. The duty to involve yourself is on you! Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
