Re: noexec on /dev/shm

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Lennart Poettering pÃÅe v St 15. 12. 2010 v 06:59 +0100: 
> On Tue, 14.12.10 13:53, Miloslav TrmaÄ (mitr@xxxxxxxx) wrote:
> 
> > Changing the semantics of /etc/fstab without any consultation with
> > fedora-devel or even notification of Fedora that something so
> > long-standing is changing is hardly constructive either.
> > 
> > I can happily live with "systemd is a new, better init system" without
> > knowing the details.  I consider "systemd replaces 15% of /etc and
> > changes semantics of another 5%" without discussing the details in
> > advance unacceptable for the distribution as a whole, although this
> > decision is of course FESCo's.
> 
> All these things are actually discussed very much on IRC, and systemd
> upstream mailing lists and similar places.

That's not what I was talking about.  My point is that systemd is an
"unbounded" project - looking at a system feature, I don't know whether
it is in scope or out of scope to be rewritten by systemd.

>From the Fedora feature page: "systemd is a replacement for SysVinit and
Upstart that acts as a system and session manager.".  Based on this
description, who would expect systemd to:
* obsolete "crontabs" package
* add yet another file identifying the distribution to /etc
* introduce a new mechanism for setting the default system locale,
  keyboard and font layout
* manage temporary directories?

It seems that "systemd is a project to replace existing
distribution-specific infrastructure by a new, different infrastructure,
with sometimes different defaults and mostly different primary
configuration files" would be a more fitting description - but it leaves
me guessing about the scope as well.

> Or, to turn this around: if you want to have a say, if you want to
> influence systemd's design, then join devlopment upstream, or otherwise
> become involved.
I don't think reviewing each commit and saying "find the subject matter
experts and get their sign-off before releasing this" about 10% of them,
which is all I really want to say, can really count as a contribution.
(Given the unbounded scope of systemd, the burden of identifying and
involving the subject matter experts is necessarily on the systemd
project because others can't _know_ they should be involved.)
	Mirek

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