On 11/24/2010 12:22 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 08:31:15AM +0000, "JÃhann B. GuÃmundsson" wrote: >> On 11/23/2010 06:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> IMO, the real problem is not "backports" vs. "upgrading" to "fix bugs", >>> it's bugs not getting fixed in Fedora, for a variety of reasons. >>> >>> Therefore, I consider trying to apply any such simple "policy" to be >>> impossible and naive. >> >> Agreeable logical conclusion. >> >> The underlying problem needs to get address and fixed first. >> >> I proposed this as a possible long term solution in one rough possible >> way a bit back on a different list to try to address the underlying >> issue but I did not receive any feedback on that proposal. >> >> 1. Improve the general standard of packagers ( need to at least have >> upstream bugzilla account and are part of or in good communication with >> the upstream community ) "One size doesn't fit everybody" This is applicable in some occasions, but is non-applicable in many. >> 2. Allow all maintainers to touch every component in Fedora note that >> maintainer that brought the component to Fedora is still responsible for >> his components. >> > I like this idea. Hmm, we already have the proven-packagers group and we already have the concept of co-maintainers. >> 4. Assemble a "bug fixing task force" ( can be per language ) to target >> component ( including testers if needed ). > > I like this idea as well however... Again, proven-packagers already can do this. At least I occasionally applied my proven-packagers' privileges to troubleshoot critical situations. However, having done so, one lesson learnt from this, was this kind of help often only to be a short-term relief, but not to be a long term cure, because packages which are suffering from issues a "trouble-shooting group" is able to help often suffer from much deeper issues. Also, it's this kind of situations, where Fedora's QA's "delays" have shown to be counter-productive. Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
