On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 16:09 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > On 11/09/2010 10:05 AM, Jon Masters wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 08:43 +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > >>> On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >>>> On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:16:11PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > >>>>> Richard W.M. Jones (rjones@xxxxxxxxxx) said: > >>>>>>> Has anyone looked into bringing Wayland to Fedora? If not this might be the > >>>>>>> right time getting involved in the discussion. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What's the implication for people who absolutely need to use > >>>>>> X applications remotely? > >>>>> > >>>>> Use VNC. (Or your similar protocol of choice.) > >>>> > >>>> That's not a serious alternative. > >>> > >>> From what I've read so far you can run rootless X as a Wayland client so > >>> you can just use your remote X apps like you did in the past next to native > >>> Wayland apps. Also if there is a real interest in this feature then this > >>> could be implemented for Wayland it would just not be part of the core. > >> > >> And what happens when all the apps are native Wayland apps and > >> none of those can be run remotely? > >> > >> If I wanted to step back to the pre-net era, I'd run Windows. > > > > +1 for bringing these points up. No offense to krh (because it's nice > > technology) but you can pull my genuine networked applications from my > > cold dead hands. I agree that I see this ongoing trend to move toward > > things that are fluffy and pretty at the cost of flexibility. > > Looks more like a case of crying wolf to me. It's probably going to take a > year before Wayland can be turned on as the default desktop and it's > probably going to take several years before X can possibly go away so to > use this kind of hyperbole is really just flamebait. > It's fine to bring your concerns up but please postpone this "we are all > going to die" routine until we *actually* have something to complain about. At which point, it's too late. Unless Server-y people point out that things like network apps actually matter, the default path may be to do what will look nice on a local desktop (for the record, I can see full screen tearing-free graphics both using upstream Intel and upstream ATI drivers - one on a laptop, one dual headed desktop - just fine already). Like Rich, I enjoy being able to start e.g. rawhide apps running on a virtual machine and have them render to my local X server, or start a second X and have an entire gnome-session running from a rawhide "box" sitting on my virt server. Also, although there are other ways to do it, my typical use of virt-manager these days is by forwarded X over ssh. Jon. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
