On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 12:36 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > Again, you're extrapolating way too far from a single problem case. The > > problem is simply that we have the xorg-x11-drivers metapackage which > > requires every single X driver and is in the critpath. There's various > > ways we could adjust this so it's no longer the case. It's hardly > > something that renders an entire policy invalid. > > Another example for how the critical path policy breaks things: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/firstboot-1.113-4.fc14 > This update adds support for xfwm4 and openbox to the firstboot code. > Updates for those 2 window managers: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfwm4-4.6.2-2.fc14 > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/openbox-3.4.11.2-4.fc14 > which add the virtual firstboot(windowmanager) Provides have already been > pushed to stable! So now we have 2 WMs satisfying firstboot's dependencies, > but not actually supported by its code. The result: the Xfce and LXDE spins > will be outright BROKEN. (And it's not my fault, I only did the firstboot > build and update requests, the other 2 packages were pushed by cwickert.) > > I CANNOT push the firstboot update which UNBREAKS those 2 spins because of > the update policy. So instead of preventing breakage, the policy CAUSES > breakage! How can it fail more spectacularly for you to finally realize it's > a failure? > > To all proventesters: please +1 that update, EVEN IF YOU HAVEN'T TESTED IT, > we need to get out of this impasse! This is a bad idea. I don't advocate supplying positive karma feedback without following basic test procedures to verify the update is sane. I understand that sometimes things are out of ones' control, but lowering quality standards to resolve this issue isn't a precedent I support. In retrospect, if the three updates you list were in fact interdependent, should they have been submitted and tested as a group to avoid the current situation? Thanks, James
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