On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Al Dunsmuir <al.dunsmuir@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 8:06:12 AM, drag01 wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 09:58:53PM -0400, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >>>> 2010/9/20 MichaÅ Piotrowski <mkkp4x4@xxxxxxxxx>: >>>> > 2010/9/21 Toshio Kuratomi <a.badger@xxxxxxxxx>: >>>> >> As the concept of using third party repositories (both as packagers and as >>>> >> users) grows, this interdependence will grow. >>>> > >>>> > Ok, so maybe it's time to setup Fedora "backports" repo for these that >>>> > wants new and shiny Firefox 4, PostgreSQL 9 or whatever with big >>>> > number. >>>> >>>> >>>> What exactly is the fear here with these updates? Are there many >>>> desktop users who do NOT want the latest released Firefox? Are there >>>> many people using Fedora as their OS for their database server? >>> >>> Maybe we should turn this around and ask why more people don't >>> use Rawhide. > >> Well "use rawhide" for anything else than testing and/or developing >> the new release just do not fly. > >> Some of the reasons I can think of: > >> 1) To high rate of changes / breakage > > These are two separate issues. > > Change: > Without Âchange in Fedora, Âwe Âmight Âas well turn off the lights. You missed the point. >> 3) Slower kernel > > On purpose - first you get things right, then you get them fast. Those > additional Âchecks Âare important so that any issues are identified as > soon as possible. You missed the point. > You want to benchmark something? ÂBuild a no-debug kernel. You missed the point. >> 4) To much of "manual fixing" required > > Maybe Âreduced with a bit of focus, but likely also part of the nature > of the beast. You missed the point. >> 5) To many broken deps, which might prevent applying updates and security fixes > > This one autoqa should be able to solve. ÂReduces breakage in general, > and Âhelps Âensure Âthat Âbreakage Âin branched releases is identified > sooner. > >> 6) Some others that I can't think of right now might be a consequence >> of the above or something else > > Stuff Âhappens, Âbut ÂRawhide Âis the place for it to happen. You missed the point. > ÂBut not > gratuitously Â- Âthat's Ânot Âbeing Ânice Âto Âyour fellow Fedora team > members. Again, you missed the point. I did not say "rawhide SUCKS!!!!!1111!!!"" I said that rawhide's purpose is for development and testing but NOT for general use. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
