It seems to me that it is mostly sysadmins that are concerned about systemd. That is understandable, they are the group of users that will be most affected by the new paradigm, and will have to learn new tricks. Yet sysadmins are just a section of the Fedora users. For example, people that like me that use Fedora at home will hardly notice a difference - provided bugs are fixed, which they seem to be. And those like me are not making their voice heard. Sysadmins have the option of waiting three months after the release before upgrading, to give time for the dust to settle, or even skipping F14 altogether, or using upstart by changing the grub menu. So I say, let's give Lennart a break - he has been working hard on this - and be optimist! -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel