On Mon, 23.08.10 15:52, Mike McGrath (mmcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > Matthew Miller (mattdm@xxxxxxxxxx) said: > > > So, I'm honestly asking: what are the odds that these few things are the > > > only improvements that cause a disruptive change to user interaction? I > > > don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if there are other changes which fit > > > this category. > > > > My concern with this line of thinking is that you're asking us to quantify > > the unknown unknown, and define a time period of testing which is > > 'long enough' for us to catch all the unknown unknowns. This seems > > impractical, in as much as it doesn't give us any clear criteria to define > > success with. > > > > It's just risk management. I think we'd be better off acknowledging there > are unknown unknowns and try to mitigate them. One way we could have done > that this time around was making it an optional feature (as Matt was > mentioning in a previous email) for F14 and then decide in F15 if it was > ready. Unfortunately that's not the path we seem to be on. We unwisely > seemed to declare it ready before anyone even saw it then we ignored what > we didn't know as if we knew there were going to be no problems. The sad > thing is that's such an easy fix by making brand new features for core > components like this opt in, even if it's just for a single release. I am sorry, but your are discussing all this from the perspective as if something went really horribly wrong with how things worked out. But frankly, I don't even see what even remotely went wrong. So far, I am myself surprised how smooth this all went. I was prepared for much worse, I have expected much worse. I know I am repeating myself: everything's wonderful. I am quite frankly amazed about the magic powers of fedora-devel to discuss to death issues that quite frankly have no base at all. Stoping making up a case were no case can be made up. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
