On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Peter Jones wrote: > On 07/28/2010 02:25 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Peter Jones wrote: > > > >> On 07/28/2010 01:10 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >>> On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 11:37 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 03:04:46PM +0200, Florent Le Coz wrote: > >>>>> On 28/07/2010 14:52, Mike McGrath wrote: > >>>>>> In my opinion including software that even upstream says is not ready is > >>>>>> for a distribution that's "lost their way". We can still be a leading > >>>>>> distribution and not include pre-release software. Especially pre-release > >>>>>> software that's not only in our critical path, but also something that > >>>>>> almost all of us use every day. > >>>>> I agree, but doesn't that mean that Firefox 4.0 won't be available in > >>>>> F14 at all and will only be in F15? > >>>>> I think it would be a huge drawback for Fedora 14. > >>>> > >>>> It would be huge if there people who can't live without it didn't have > >>>> any other way of getting it than having it pre-packaged. I think > >>>> Firefox 4 looks to be fantastic, but the truth is that people only > >>>> have to wait a few months for a release with it pre-packaged, if > >>>> they're not able to add it on their own. > >>> > >>> I'd rather we provide them a package than have people going out and > >>> installing software from third-party sources (yes, mozilla.org is hardly > >>> Evil, but it sets a bad precedent). I really don't see much of a reason > >>> we can't ship it as a post-release update. We'd probably want to do that > >>> in the end anyway, because Mozilla tends to stop security supporting old > >>> branches anyway; it's certainly plausible that they stop supporting 3.x > >>> during F14's support lifetime. > >> > >> Just because it isn't in the F14 repo doesn't mean it won't be available to > >> people who really want a packaged version earlier - look at spot's chromium > >> packages, for example. And I really expect the F14-F15 time frame to be a very > >> similar situation with Firefox - just because it's released doesn't mean there > >> isn't some time to wait before it's really shippable. 6 months won't be the > >> end of the world, especially if it's added to an add-on repo someplace so > >> people can get it if they really want something other than ff3. > >> > > > > Perhaps it's time to figure out how to make things like Tom's chromium > > more official. Find actual hosting/mirroring for that stuff, make a clear > > path to get people to it but also letting them know "hey, your milage may > > vary". > > I would really like to see kopers happen, yes. That'd be great. > Maybe I'm mistaken, I thought kopers was just for building. Does it encompass hosting, distribution and such? -Mike -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
