Jon Masters (jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) said: > > If we put a bit more trust into our kernel updates, and can start making > > people a bit angry and filing bugs when there are regressions, maybe we > > can do away with that crappy crutch. > > User anger really isn't a good motivator. If you're really concerned about needing the timeouts when 'normal' bootup doesn't work, then why not write a patch that simply checks the time since last bootup (via mtime on grub.conf, or wahtever), and shows the menu if it's less than some predefined interval (say, 3 minutes?) Bill -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel