On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 10:52 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 15:43 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:34:22AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > > > > > Of course it shouldn't be zero. This is what I was saying yesterday. Now > > > if Fedora is really targeting end users who are non-technical (can we > > > decide this finally, sometime, please?) then this is valid. But if it's > > > true that we favor experienced computing users, it should not be zero. > > > > The logic here is unclear. > > As a technical user, it's another thing I immediately have to "fix" > post-install, usually by rebooting a couple of times to make sure I get > into grub at just the right moment. But moreso, it's become expected on > Linux systems that one will get some kind of bootloader prompt/timeout. Probably because kernel updates often break, and you need a fallback. If we put a bit more trust into our kernel updates, and can start making people a bit angry and filing bugs when there are regressions, maybe we can do away with that crappy crutch. > If it were up to me, there'd be a full bootloader prompt back too :) And we'd be using work-arounds to get Macs running under Linux ;) -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel