On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:23:10PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: >>On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 15:53 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >>> If we combine that with requiring valid bug numbers before negative karma can >>> be applied, then I'd be ok with that. Until we require that, there are way to >>> many corner cases where something like that isn't going to work well. >> >>Really? I don't think there's *that* many cases where a negative piece >>of karma is filed between the submission and the push which you'd want >>to ignore. And even in the rare cases when that happens, if we warn or >>even unsubmit the update, it's not like you can't do anything about it. >>If we make it a warning...ignore the warning. If we make it withdraw the >>update...just submit it again. I'm having a hard time seeing that fall >>apart. > > The three biggest areas where I see auto-unsubmit being problematic are: > > 1) Negative karma for problems we can't fix. E.g. "OMG MY DISPLAY GOES BLANK > WHEN I USE THE BINARY NVIDIA MODULE WITH THIS KERNEL/XORG/FORTUNE!" We don't > care, we can't fix it, and it's just a hassle to make the maintainer resubmit > for crap like that. The same is true for odd conglomerations of releases, > custom packages, and third party repos. > > 2) Packages like the kernel, where it works fine on 300 machines but somebody > has a crappy ass old Pentium 4 with the original BIOS and RDRAM and it causes > some weird oops. In a perfect world, we'd hold up the kernel update and get > that fixed. I'd also be able to crap gold bricks and pay my mortgage in smiles. > We aren't in a perfect world, and the greater good of fixing a larger number of > machines seems to warrant pushing that update out. Again, more maintainer > hassle. > > 3) People just being jerks. This is the rarest worry, but it would be rather > easy to intentionally cause another maintainer problems and never let them get > their updates out if we auto-unsubmitted on negative karma. 4) People adding negative karma because "unrelated bug that has been present in the older version is still not fixed" -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
