On 05/09/2010 06:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I'm tempted to agree in practice with Matej that it is. I don't think we > can kid ourselves that we're doing a particularly good job of making a > desktop for end users; if we were, we wouldn't be being trashed by > Ubuntu in this area (let alone OS X and Windows). Yes, yes, I know, > Ubuntu's statistics are unreliable and all that crap. I know we can all I am inclined to agree too - we are a ** technical distro ** and a good one at that. There is a balance between really up to date and yet still stable ... fedora (tho it struggles now and again) has managed to largely find that balance. Congrats fedora team!! I run several servers on fedora (mail, web, file and a couple of very decent firewalls) in addition to a suite of desktop and laptops running fedora. Some of the desktops are used by some highly non-sophisticated users (parents, parents in-law, spouse, children, friends for example). I think what makes these Aunt Tilly users work well using Fedora, is the presence of one or more experienced fedora admins behind the scenes - who can manage their systems and provide the expertise to add the missing pieces to make the system just-works for them - and act as help desk once in a while too! (Some support of course we did even when they ran windows ... ) That said, the amount of admin'ing (I include performaing remote backups over ssh) is generally not too much work - it does include the occasional vnc-over-ssh to 'fix a window' problem too ;-) Fedora has not (wont?) license H.264 like ubuntu ... All my users (quite a few) absolutely rest on my opinion/expertise to make the decisions for them and help them add functionality when needed. Fedora is a great distro - we do reach Aunt Tilly too - just not by her installing F12 herself ... we do it for her. Fedora is a strong technical distro - Linus may even be using it ;-) and it serves technical users/admins extremely well. Fedora is ** The Technical Distro ** gene -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel