2010/5/7 Brian Pepple <bpepple@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 00:26 +0200, Karel Zak wrote: >> On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 05:46:21PM -0400, Brian Pepple wrote: >> > >> > Normally, I'd be against it killing a thread, but the thread that >> > started this discussion had already been done awhile back and this new >> > thread added *nothing* new to the discussion. Frankly, it was more >> >> This all is your subjective opinion. There is not objective and >> unbiased way how evaluate any discussion, it's unmeasurable. That's >> the reason why Hall Monitor Policy is nonsense. > > Please enlighten me then on what new information was added to this > thread that wasn't in the prior thread that warranted keeping it alive? one could argue that even that is now a redundant question that hasnt anything to do with fedora development and doesent belong to this list and is therefor "redundant". thats the whole point that is beeing expressed here. it depends on the point of view if discussions are valuable, helpful, creative and have a positive outcome or not. and i want to add something else... sometimes if people come up with "stupid" ideas some other people read it... laugh... and develop a good idea out of some points of the basically "stupid" one. beeing creative requires to have input... the wilder the input the more innovative the output can be. as linux users we unfortunately are all a vocal minority in the world outside of the project. we are loud though and we get our ways. that might explain why some people are pretty loud and atleast try to drive their way... thats what alot older community members did the last 10 to 20 years. i dont want to find excuses or justify anything... just state a few facts to explain some discussed circumstances and some of the psychology behind it... since that seemed to be an open question in the meeting. one of the questions raised in the meeting posted by mcepl was... "why dont those people leave if they are unhappy". simple... they put alot sweat blood and tears into a project, and they have friends... with the development crowd and with the community in general. they are obviously feeling as a part of it with just a different pov and an own opinion. that isnt bad at all ... but healthy... "diversity is healthy" to a project. and lastly just a personal opinion... i think what drives this project (and i hope the people i give support to in #fedora on a daily basis forgive me) are the developers. they are the most important entity that keep the projects alive and going. If we are good in what we do the users will come on their own... i personally as much as i love this project do not really care how big our user base is... i care how big our developer base is... and i hope that in the future we are not ruling out or excluding people just because they express a different opinion and try to drive it. it is exactly those kind of people that use up their spare time and work unpaid on projects like fedora because their heart is just beating for the project... else theyd have left for good and just used their spare time for other purposes. kind regards, Rudolf Kastl p.s. i am not claiming to be objective, just trying to interpret what i see. > > Later, > /B > -- > Brian Pepple <bpepple@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bpepple > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E > BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
