Dne 8.5.2010 03:39, Stephen John Smoogen napsal(a): > It is a blessing and it is a curse. Why do more developers show up at > conferences these days running Ubuntu or Debian systems.. many who > used to run Fedora or RHL? My very non-scientific survey has been that > it isn't that Ubuntu is cooler, etc.. but it is just much more stable. a) there is a reason, why I have mentioned that bigger doesn't have to be better ... it is quite obvious to me that user-oriented distro would be more popular than developer-oriented one. b) do you have real testimonies of scores of developers Fedora *switching to* Ubuntu? I would love to hear them. I don't care that much about people using Ubuntu, because they always used Ubuntu (or Debian), but people who actually switched from Fedora (perhaps even RHEL, but that's slightly different ... default selection of packages is quite limited in RHEL, so I can imagine that somebody who doesn't like to have three or four repositories switched on, may be lured by the endless package offering in Debian world). > but on the other hand they don't have to > worry that the 3 KDE apps they use didn't completely change over a > weekend (or vice versa the 2 gnome apps they depend on for something > didn't break because ibus got added as a dependency and didn't work > for some reason.) Even if it is so (I don't like what feels like picking on KDE all the time), just hypothetically, let's say that KDE is too radical in its updates and it is broken quite often. Then in my vision of the world it means that KDE packages are broken, I don't care that much about Fedora as whole. Yes, it is unfortunately more probable that people switch distros than they switch desktop environments, but C'est la vie I guess. > The vision works as long as the set of packages and packagers is > small. It is very much the "Tragedy of the Commons" where at a certain > point I don't have a strong enough social link to think or worry about > what effect my package might have on something 30 packages away from > me. The fact that its broken and 4 users left doesn't really affect me > unless it turns out that it is Linus and he says something like "Sorry > about missing 2.6.36-rc1.. but for some reason Xmonkey. started > writing 0's to all my files last night and my backups too... Didn't > know I even had it installed.." Sure it got pulled in because it gives > libslapmonkey and now vim pulls it in so you can have an animated > monkey if you type :monkeybrainz [or some such thing.] But in cases > where it isn't Linus people just don't know. You may be right, I don't have good arguments here, but I would just point out that your example is about kernel ... which quite certainly should be on the critical path. How many such disasters could be caused by a desktop environment being broken? Isn't that a problem between DE packager and her users (who might be other packagers as well)? I remember such disasters being caused by kernel, glibc, gcc, openssl, pam, libz and similar ... which should be certainly on the critical path. Matěj -- This message has been composed of recycled electrons. None of these electrons has been harmed or injured in the creation and transmission of this message but they have been shamelessly exploited for this use. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
