On 05/06/2010 07:28 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Rudolf Kastl<che666@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> one of the questions raised in the meeting posted by mcepl was... "why >> dont those people leave if they are unhappy". simple... they put alot >> sweat blood and tears into a project, and they have friends... with >> the development crowd and with the community in general. they are >> obviously feeling as a part of it with just a different pov and an own >> opinion. that isnt bad at all ... but healthy... "diversity is >> healthy" to a project. >> > > Constructive... additive ...diversity in opinion is healthy. But > there is a line at which debate can turn unhealthy and destructive... > when repetitive discussion becomes shrill in its desire to be > informative...becomes over reaching in its need to be persuasive. > Unfortunately what we have seen lately is a somewhat self propogating > cycle that we repeat when issues are multi-faceted. > > People who have taken their shot at making a persuasive argument to > change the minds of a particular audience can feel like they are being > ignored when their arguments end up not being persuasive. Ratcheting > up the heat( and number of capitalized words) in the next opportunity > to restate their arguments brings more attention from others who have > not noticed previous rounds in the discussion but in fact make the > original audience more likely to tune out what is being said. And the > cycle repeats spiralling downward towards a CapsLock doomsday as the > participants become more entrenched in their points of view and less > forgiving of other people's. Personal foibles and slights both real > and imagined pile up into a palatable physiological barrier and people > just end up talking at each other. > > Totally off-topic, but I think "Spiralling Downward Towards a CapsLock Doomsday" would be a fantastic band name. -J > For the sake of everyone's sanity we have to find a way out of this > cycle. Letting these sorts of fires burn out on their own doesn't > seem like the best way to manage our communication commons. And yes > I'm throwing stones while standing in my own glass house, I can be > sucked into bad behavior as easily as anyone else and being told I'm > beating a dead horse is the appropriate thing to do. > > > -jef"It's seldom going to end well when one of the most active > participants in any thread proclaims at the start that they are burned > out on the issues. It's difficult to see how one can simultaneously be > burned-out as well as a constructive voice on the issues. Passion can > fight against effectiveness"spaleta > -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
