On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Jeremy Katz and others wrote about the loss of kernel-source(code) I think the main problem is that a LOT of people use the current method and expect it to be there for whatever arcane method. Just removing it without openly discussing it first smacks less of a community project and more of a 'high-handed you'll take what we give you' mode. [Not saying that is what it is.. but that is what it looks like.] -- Stephen John Smoogen smoogen@xxxxxxxx Los Alamos National Lab CCN-5 Sched 5/40 PH: 4-0645 Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S Los Alamos, NM 87545 -- Please, I have had too much of the stupid today. Please wait until -- tomorrow to say these things so my tolerance has refreshed.