On Sat, 2010-03-20 at 07:14 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Terry Barnaby wrote: > > Although I understand Fedora's frontier status, I think the graphics > > system changes could probably have been handled better. After the kernel > > and core shared libraries the graphics system is probably the next > > essential core OS subsystem (At least for desktop systems). It seems most > > of peoples stability issues with fedora stem from graphics. I do > > understand the difficulty with the multitude of different graphics > > chipsets out there. But this is where Fedora could shine with its close > > links to upstream development. It would have been good to be very upfront > > with this and get a group to define and setup some basic graphics tests > > and loudly promote users to perform tests with these both pre-release and > > post-release. This with a website with test status versus graphics > > board/chipsets and with good easy linkages to Bugzilla (more user > > friendly) and perhaps a separate graphics-testing repository to keep quick > > graphics updates away from the "stable" release etc. If enough upstream > > developers, Fedora packagers and testing users were in on this I think > > great inroads into getting stable and good graphics systems would be made > > in a relatively short time. > > Unfortunately, a sizeable portion of our users installs some crappy > proprietary driver, sometimes not even a properly packaged one, but using > some broken installation script directly from the hardware vendor's website, > making this all moot. :-( While it is true that our Free drivers are far > from perfect as well, most graphics-related problems are actually due to > proprietary drivers. Just say NO to proprietary drivers! This isn't really true. Or at least, not a productive perspective for improving Fedora. There are certainly a lot of bugs in the open drivers shipped with Fedora, and there's a lot of work to do to fix them all. I sent my own reply to Terry explaining how we're handling this at present, but just waving the 'it's all NVIDIA's fault' stick at the problem won't make it go away :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
