On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 20:47 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote: > Although I understand Fedora's frontier status, I think the graphics > system changes could probably have been handled better. After the kernel and > core shared libraries the graphics system is probably the next essential > core OS subsystem (At least for desktop systems). It seems most of peoples > stability issues with fedora stem from graphics. I do understand the > difficulty with the multitude of different graphics chipsets out there. But > this is where Fedora could shine with its close links to upstream development. > It would have been good to be very upfront with this and get a group to > define and setup some basic graphics tests and loudly promote users to > perform tests with these both pre-release and post-release. We've done this, since F11, with the Graphics Test Days. They get a very large response. That's mostly how we know what's broken. > This with a > website with test status versus graphics board/chipsets and with good > easy linkages to Bugzilla (more user friendly) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-09_Radeon#Results https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-10_Nouveau#Results https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-09-11_Intel#Results > and perhaps a separate > graphics-testing repository to keep quick graphics updates away from > the "stable" release etc. This would likely do more harm than good by increasing developer overhead and making everyone very confused about exactly what anyone was running... > If enough upstream developers, Fedora packagers > and testing users were in on this I think great inroads into getting stable > and good graphics systems would be made in a relatively short time. That's somewhat optimistic; no matter how much testing we do, we can only afford a certain amount of full-time developer muscle. The testing has helped to improve efficiency and direction of graphics development work, I think, but there's fundamentally a lot of work to do and only a limited amount of manpower to do it with. The X devs are always very happy to take new volunteers. :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
