Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> Here is where we have a definition problem. To me, unbaked stuff is >> things that haven't had a good month of testing if its a large change >> (a couple of days if its a small one). > > If you count all the testing done on prereleases, KDE 4.4.0 actually had > much MORE than a month of testing before being pushed. Even if you count > only the stable release, it got more than 2 weeks of total testing before > the stable push. But the changes between the RCs and the final were fairly > small. > > So please don't overgeneralize claiming all the feature updates which are > getting pushed are "unbaked". Kevin, please calm down. You aren't helping yourself - and by extension, your constituents (/me waves) - by treating everything said by someone not obviously "on your side" as a personal attack. I don't see anywhere that Stephen was calling current updates "unbaked". Stephen is trying to throw some water on the fire /without/ taking sides. I can't, unfortunately, say he is succeeding; not because of his own efforts - which I find to be of very high quality - but... well, because certain parts of the fire just seem to burn hotter no matter what. So, please, take a step back, and try seeing if maybe, just maybe, your views aren't as incompatible as you think. -- Matthew Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies. -- Time to get out the marshmallows... -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel