On 02/27/2010 05:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 10:57 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>> Sorry, I was replying in haste. I should've made clear that I was >>> talking more in general, and don't have any specific direct knowledge of >>> the dnssec case. I know of multiple cases where updates have been pushed >>> hastily, but I don't have any direct knowledge of the dnssec case >>> specifically and wouldn't want to cast any aspersions in anyone's >>> direction there. >>> >> Well, to voting is an inadequate means for judging a package's quality, >> because bugs showing in individual cases are not co-related to "works >> for many" - It's a fundamental flaw of the system. > > Yeah, it's not perfect: there are cases where we have, say, a complex > kernel update which works fine for most people but causes a significant > regression for some particular bit of hardware. We wouldn't want to put > that update out, but it's easy for it to get five +1s before someone > with the specific bit of hardware comes by and gives it a -1...and even > then, +4 looks good if you're not reading the feedback too carefully. > > So yeah, I agree it's not a perfect system - detailed suggestions for > improving it would be welcome, I'm sure. Alternatives: * Abandon it (I don't think this would change anything wrt. to QA in Fedora) * Replace it by a "free text comment system" * In cases an update is trying to address a particular bug in BZ, replace let people comment in bugzilla. > I don't think 'not perfect' is > the same as 'useless', though. In general, I would agree, but in this particular case, I do think it is useless. All the voting/karma stuff does is to let rel-eng believe to be dealing with bad updates, while it actually doesn't cope with the problems it is trying to address, it's the wrong tool. > I think it's pretty easy to make a case > that Bodhi has had a significant positive impact on the overall quality > of the updates that have fully utilized it. Well, the only positive impact bodhi had on me was bodhi implementing a more or less usable web-frontend, where Fedora had nothing in place before. This doesn't mean it is a good system and even less does this mean this system is perfect or bug-free. Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
