On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 10:02 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > On Thursday 26 November 2009 23:14:09 Dave Airlie wrote: > > On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > > On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote: > > > > On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +0000, > > > > > > > > > > Terry Barnaby<terry1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > >> I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug > > > > >> reports and even fix them if I can. But, the current short term > > > > >> release schedule, and no focus on testing and fixing graphics > > > > >> issues, does not inspire me with confidence that a stable usable > > > > >> release will emerge. This makes it difficult > > > > >> for me to justify the effort. Convince me :) > > > > > > > > > > I follow the radeon updates pretty closely and my 9200 finally > > > > > starting working with 3d again a few weeks before the release. Airlie > > > > > has continued development in the f12 branch and there have been > > > > > several updates over the last couple of weeks. > > > > > If you have just tried F11 and not F12 you should consider doing so. > > > > > For r5xx and below, grab a live image and install one of the smaller > > > > > 3d apps and try it out. For r6xx and above you'll want to install > > > > > mesa-experimental-drivers and update xorg-x11-drv-ati. This won't get > > > > > you the kernel updates related to graphics since the release, but > > > > > should give you a good look at where things are at so that you can > > > > > decide if you want install F12 on the machine. > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have tried out F12 on 4 different systems, 2 with different ATI > > > > graphics and two with different Intel based boards. Only the last one > > > > appears to be able to run Blender. You mention "Airlie has continued > > > > development in the f12 branch". If that means there are people working > > > > on the bugs and producing new driver updates for F12 (DRM,MESA,X11), > > > > especially for ATI then I certainly will give it some time. > > > > > > So is blender working the only thing you consider as working? > > > > > > The current focus is on making graphics work for as many ppl as possible > > > first, then 3D is always further down the list, this is just common > > > sense. > > > > > > Current priorities are: > > > 0) you aren't running a binary driver - if so no priority for you. > > > > > > a) Can you see stuff on the screen at install/boot? > > > b) can you run GNOME desktop in reasonably useful manner? i.e. firefox > > > runs okay, no glitches, major slowdowns etc. > > > c) can you suspend/resume? > > > d) can you run compiz/gnome-shell? > > > e) can you run non-Gnome desktops at reasonable speed? (yes we have to > > > prioritise gnome over KDE, it sucks but thats life) > > > f) does misc 3D application run? > > > > I should follow up just as far as the Red Hat X team goes a-d are what > > we are paid to do, e/f and nice to haves, so really if some community > > effort was to be brought up around this, e/f are where it would make > > sense to focus it. > > Hi, > how could we (we = KDE SIG people) help with e) - serious question - not KDE > over Gnome flame or blaming ;-) - to make it better? > From Red Hat's POV, KDE should be at least partially supported by X team as > it's official and supported component of RHEL - but this goes together with > Fedora. Find a GPU developer who runs KDE ;-) and feed him treats. Though seriously its not really a major bias, like I have things on my list priority (a) but I still end up doing (e)&(f) tasks occasionally for my own sanity and to take a break from staring at register dumps. Like a bug KDE finds in the driver is still a bug, it just means I have to go install KDE on my test machines again and that is where I generally lag and take a few days longer. I think the main thing non-GNOME users can do is stay on top of packages in updates-testing and stuff as I rarely get time to regression test on non-GNOME desktops. Dave. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
