On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 07:23 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote: > > On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +0000, > > > Terry Barnaby<terry1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > >> I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug reports and > > >> even fix them if I can. But, the current short term release schedule, and no > > >> focus on testing and fixing graphics issues, does not inspire me > > >> with confidence that a stable usable release will emerge. This makes > > >> it difficult > > >> for me to justify the effort. Convince me :) > > > > > > I follow the radeon updates pretty closely and my 9200 finally starting working > > > with 3d again a few weeks before the release. Airlie has continued > > > development in the f12 branch and there have been several updates over the > > > last couple of weeks. > > > If you have just tried F11 and not F12 you should consider doing so. For r5xx > > > and below, grab a live image and install one of the smaller 3d apps and > > > try it out. For r6xx and above you'll want to install > > > mesa-experimental-drivers and update xorg-x11-drv-ati. This won't get you > > > the kernel updates related to graphics since the release, but should give > > > you a good look at where things are at so that you can decide if you want > > > install F12 on the machine. > > Hi, > > > > I have tried out F12 on 4 different systems, 2 with different ATI graphics and > > two with different Intel based boards. Only the last one appears to be able > > to run Blender. You mention "Airlie has continued development in the f12 > > branch". If that means there are people working on the bugs and producing new > > driver updates for F12 (DRM,MESA,X11), especially for ATI then I certainly > > will give it some time. > > So is blender working the only thing you consider as working? > > The current focus is on making graphics work for as many ppl as possible > first, then 3D is always further down the list, this is just common > sense. > > Current priorities are: > 0) you aren't running a binary driver - if so no priority for you. > > a) Can you see stuff on the screen at install/boot? > b) can you run GNOME desktop in reasonably useful manner? i.e. firefox > runs okay, no glitches, major slowdowns etc. > c) can you suspend/resume? > d) can you run compiz/gnome-shell? > e) can you run non-Gnome desktops at reasonable speed? (yes we have to > prioritise gnome over KDE, it sucks but thats life) > f) does misc 3D application run? I should follow up just as far as the Red Hat X team goes a-d are what we are paid to do, e/f and nice to haves, so really if some community effort was to be brought up around this, e/f are where it would make sense to focus it. Having some sort of repos where we can publish a new kernel/libdrm/mesa/intel/ati/nouveau package in one block for people to test and find regression that isn't rawhide and isn't updates-testing (since it would be abusing that) would be an excellent place to start. Dave. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
