-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jesse Keating wrote: > On Nov 19, 2009, at 17:15, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> On 11/19/2009 07:48 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: >>> On Nov 19, 2009, at 13:51, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> Note to all... >>>> >>>> Please add your vote to >>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=534047 (Active local >>>> console users get to install signed software on a machine they do not >>>> have the root password to) >>>> >>>> I agree with Rahul that it is less productive to "+1" on this email >>>> thread. >> >>> Yes because what we really need here is more noise... >>> >>> Please do /not/ pile on to the bug. It will not help no matter what your >>> opinion is. >> >> huh? >> >> Are you not familiar with the concept of bugzilla votes? Try clicking >> on the '(vote)' link sometime. >> > > I'm familiar. I also know that it isn't goig to accomplish anything in > this case. It can't hurt anything though, and if it lets people feel as if their voices are being heard, then perhaps there wouldn't be as much traffic on the mailing lists about the issue. The thing is if someone wants to have their voice heard about a given issue, and they have a way of expressing themselves publicly about it somewhere, they're likely to exercise that ability even if other people don't want to hear what they have to say, and when people try to oust them for it or silence them, they're even more likely to express their opinions even louder than before, and bring 1000 minions along with them to make their voices heard louder than before. The more anyone at all tries to silence anyone else at all in a public forum, for any reason - the more likely the line of conflict between the differing opinions is to cause increasing noise. Some may say "I don't want to read the noise though", and the answer to that is always "don't, use procmail, or mentally skip over it, hit delete" etc. because the more someone tries to control another person by telling them to go away, the more they are giving their own power away _too_ that other person simply by needing the other person to stop talking in order for them to feel pleasant. It's easier to let people say what they want, and just not read it, and go do something else than to try to control people. I think the best way to have a loud thread end, is for people who want it to end to just stop reading it or caring about it, and let those who still feel they have something to say express themselves. Once they've done so and have nothing more to say, they'll naturally stop on their own when they're ready. There are probably 100 billion email and newsgroup threads out there that are tracked by Google which can illustrate this psychological phenomenon. ;o) It's easy to feel emotional about these types of things, but it really is best to just ignore things we don't want to see and move on. - -- Mike A. Harris Website: http://mharris.ca Google Wave: mike.andrew.harris - at - googlewave.com https://identi.ca/mharris | https://twitter.com/mikeaharris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFLBjIY4RNf2rTIeUARAqS/AJ95Ucqvv5QML2cW4Mj5Hb2sfEkqzQCcDrGB chobQeP7Wg7x+7xiBHOt9sg= =xOpx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
