On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 11:34 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > We wrote use cases, we checked what other systems did, and we intend > to > present something to the user that's less complicated than showing up > all the knobs PulseAudio offers. Here's the other thing that gets me about this: okay, so you thought about the use cases you want to support and came up with a design. Great. But we don't even have that design yet. That design includes input switching and profile switching. These are features that Lennart and others have gone on the public record as saying are intended to be in g-v-c and will be in g-v-c in future. So obviously you consider those important use cases that we ought to be supporting. However, you say it's perfectly fine to ship - as our only installed graphical mixer in F11 - a mixer which *doesn't* yet have those features. I mean...come on! You can't just go about introducing huge functional regressions willy-nilly because you want to have the new design in as soon as you've finished a working prototype with half the features missing! This isn't PulseAudio itself, where we really needed to ship the thing before it was really done to get useful wide-based testing; in this case we already *know* what g-v-c is missing, and those features can be worked on without causing people the pain of suddenly losing these features. Frankly I'm becoming more and more in favour of advocating simply having gnome-media build the old mixer for F11 and delay the new one entirely until F12 (or, hell, it could go into F11 as an update if profile switching and input switching get implemented). That's simpler (it just requires flipping a switch in the gnome-media spec), less invasive, satisfies the "we should only have one mixer" requirement, and is more in line with what people apparently think the role of FESco should be (approving or denying new features, not mandating interface compromises). I liked the compromise because at least we have the new mixer in there for people to try out, and it'd help us find the bad-default-volume-settings-from-ALSA bugs, but maybe this way would get less resistance from both sides... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
