On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 12:09 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: > Not really sure about this winning threads business but, speaking only > for myself, I chose to ignore it in part because the thread clearly > jumped the shark when you replied to your own message at least twice. I do that when I realize it's important to expand on something I mentioned only in passing. > And the rest of us likely already know about pavucontrol. Lennart > wrote it and we designed the new volume control to replace it (for our > target users). The fact that it is still currently in the menus is > almost certainly an oversight - not a confirmation that what you are > proposing is a good idea. That doesn't explain why it shipped alongside gnome-volume-control for the last three releases, when all along you have been telling us that shipping two graphical volume control utilities by default is a terrible idea that will confuse people and is bad UI. And, I really should have anticipated your reaction. Of *course* the correct response to me pointing out that we're already shipping two volume control applications by default and have been for a while with no apparent problems is not to accept that this means it's probably a perfectly good idea to have multiple applications so long as they each expose important functionality that the other doesn't. No, the correct response is to say that we should immediately drop one to maintain ideological purity. I mean...sheesh. Are you serious? We should drop pavucontrol because including it is an 'oversight'? Despite the fact that, as I pointed out, gnome-volume-control has no profile support and hence you can only use pavucontrol to switch from analog to digital output, or from analog stereo to analog surround? And even *Lennart* advocates using it this way, in various bug reports? Presumably none of your 'target users' has an S/PDIF output either? Or an analog surround sound setup? This is just getting ridiculous. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
