Put simply, any argument based on "Nobody's complained, so it's fine" is fallacious. People expect Linux to be dreadful. If something works they're happy - if it doesn't, it's because Linux isn't ready for the desktop yet. And when we've still got a community that's more inclined to tell people that they should read the documentation rather than ask whether a specific UI is sufficiently understandable, it's hardly unsurprisingly that people aren't going to spend a great deal of time complaining about how unintuitive they found some aspect of UI. If people raise issues with a suggestion and the counterargument is "Users haven't raised this problem" then we can't draw conclusions about why they haven't. Maybe it's because the average user is smart enough to figure out that the multitude of volume controls we ship are all intended for subtly different purposes. Maybe it's because they can't be bothered filing bugs. Maybe it's because they're scared of raising a contentious subject. Who knows? In the end we still come down to making decisions based on the opinions of people we deem to be experts in the field. And if you don't trust the desktop team to make the appropriate decision in this case then it would be helpful for you to say so plainly. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list