On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 17:57 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 16:48 +0100, Naheem Zaffar wrote: >> > >> >> Forcing a choice at install time to uninformed users is plain bad >> >> usability. Allowing those that are informed to change the defaults is >> >> the right way. >> > >> > Naheem nailed this one. The problem with forcing a choice is that, for a >> > certain group of people, the choice is nonsense: >> >> Do we have any reason to believe that this is a significant percentage >> of the Fedora demographic? Or does it not matter if they only make up >> 1%? If so, are we targeting and possible type of Fedora user? >> >> I personally think there would be less work to be done if Fedora >> stopped partially targeting a class of newbie users who can't be >> trusted to decide their own DE, but are willing to follow Fedora's >> aggressive update/upgrade paths. I have seen little evidence that that >> demographic even exists, yet everything seems to be done with their >> best interest as the rationale. > > I notice you chopped out the bit of my post where I carefully addressed > precisely this question. > > To summarize (as I see it): yes they exist, no we don't know how many > there are (and I'd say that's not even important, what matters is > whether we *want* there to be lots of them or not), and there's no real > consensus on whether we should care a lot about them or not. This is the > fundamental problem here. Sorry about that, I over snipped and under read. The rest of your post addresses my concerns, or are least highlights the. I would like to see the project choose a realistic direction and stick with it. My own intepreation of the general direction is as an accelerator and enable of FOSS development. Thank you. -- Fedora 9 : sulphur is good for the skin ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list