On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 16:09 -0400, William Jon McCann wrote: > Actually, I think this is pretty close to the UI we want and, modulo > the input selection and one or two other technical limitations that > are being worked on, it should be nearly complete. I designed it with > help from Matthew Paul Thomas - and with oh a bit of inspiration from > a popular and highly regarded operating system. I feel very strongly > that we shouldn't be compromising our designs to cater to the lowest > common denominator of broken hardware and drivers - and definitely not > for something as easy to fix as a unimplemented feature. I like the UI; I think you did a good job. But we mustn't lose sight of the fact that we can't always get everything right -- there will _always_ be a need for users to tweak something to make it work optimally. For example, on the two laptops I've tried with PulseAudio on F-11 so far I can't even turn the volume right up using your UI -- I need to run a different mixer and turn the 'Front' slider to maximum, because it starts on about 80%. I think it's necessary to give _conditional_ access to the full controls, even though I agree wholeheartedly that we shouldn't expose all that mess by default. I think that the compromise we've settled on for F-11, where there's a completely different application buried in the menus which many users might not even find, is quite a poor one. It should be properly integrated. -- David Woodhouse Open Source Technology Centre David.Woodhouse@xxxxxxxxx Intel Corporation -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list