On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 05:45:01PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Christopher Aillon wrote: > > and why this decree should not be reversed? > > In today's voting, FESCo as a whole refused to micromanage the desktop > SIG into changing existing UI. This isn't because they changed their > minds about the ideal state of mixers in Fedora 11 but because they saw > that when you disagree with people that you delegate power to you have > to work with the other party to accommodate both your interests and theirs. > > If the Board wants to reverse the decision of what goes onto a spin by > default they can because they are the source of FESCo's authority on > technical matters. But that means that they're taking away all of the > authority that they've given FESCo for technical matters with no > compromise which is a very different thing than what occurred between > FESCo and the Desktop SIG at today's meeting. I guess I'm unclear on why the gnome-alsamixer isn't being introduced as a specific addition to %packages in the DVD kickstart file. Then the Desktop Live image would retain the characteristics designed by the Desktop SIG. That Live image is designed, AIUI, to go into the hands of a novice who's looking for the Desktop SIG's idea of a Fedora Desktop. On the other hand, anyone who's looking for twiddly bits like those found in the gnome-alsamixer (and they're perfectly justified in that desire) are typically going to download the Installation DVD because they want more choices in software to begin with. So to me, the ideal compromise is for the Installation DVD to install the gnome-alsamixer by default and have it in the menu, and for the Desktop Live image not to bother. Does that not solve the problem in a less contentious way? > > Do I really need to bring this up at the next board meeting? > > > That's a very strange question as only you know what you have to do. If > you are asking whether FESCo wants you to do so I'm afraid I'm not on > FESCo so I can't answer. To be very clear, the above is just my input as a long-time Fedora contributor. But if this escalates to the Board, in all honesty it would still be my position. I think FESCo is doing the right thing by including something that will work for the large number of users we have who are natural bit-twiddlers, and require functionality beyond what the drivers/hardware currently make available to PA. But I also think the Desktop SIG ought to be able to make a Desktop Spin that represents their vision. In fact, that's something we've asked for at, e.g., the recent FUDCon in Boston last January. So again, I propose adding gnome-alsamixer to the %packages in Installation DVD kickstart, and leave the Desktop Live CD as-is. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug
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