2009/3/28 Gerry Reno <greno@xxxxxxxxxxx>: > Joonas Sarajärvi wrote: >> >> 2009/3/28 Dan Nicholson <dbn.lists@xxxxxxxxx>: >> >>> >>> 2009/3/28 Joonas Sarajärvi <muepsj@xxxxxxxxx>: >>> >>>> >>>> Of course, the world isn't perfect, and there probably is need for a >>>> global shortcut to kill or restart X, among other things. However, it >>>> would be nice if X eventually got rid of everything ctrl-alt-something >>>> (Zap, vt switches, resolution changes, etc.) , so that the >>>> combinations could be used for more useful purposes, and replaced them >>>> with less intrusive ones, if any, as default. >>>> >>> >>> That system is called XKB. You can remap keys to your heart's desire. >>> >> >> I know that I can configure and tweak my system to my heart's content, >> but I rather get used to the default settings where it makes sense. It >> eases life with multiple computers, as well as helping others to use >> the same software. >> >> I just think that the traditional X shortcuts are not a very good >> solution to a problem, and a better one could be developed. > > The traditional three-keystroke combination of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace has been > working successfully for decades. There is absolutely nothing wrong with > this keysequence. It is one of the most unlikely keysequences that a > general X user is ever going to hit accidentally. It is only the tiny Emacs > community with their very similar keystroke combinations that has ever had > any problems with accidentally tripping this keystroke combination. And > it's not fair to the general Xorg community that a historical > well-understood and expected default should be disabled all in the interest > of one tiny subcommunity. My support for support the X.org developers' decision isn't due to my Emacs usage. I just think it's a better design to not have the Zap function enabled as default. I think leaving the zap function disabled is very much in line with the general character of Fedora. In past, we have many times replaced old, de-facto ways of doing things with new, innovative solutions and decision. In Fedora 10, the default vt for X was changed from vt 1 to vt 7, despite many arguments similar to yours, and despite that it could potentially confuse some experienced users. Especially now that this isn't even a Fedora decision but an upstream one, it would in my opinion seem a bit odd if Fedora did override that decision. The X developers seem to think that the system should work so well that there would be no need for a magic key combo for killing the server. I think that's quite optimistic and forward-looking, which is mindset that Fedora also happens to follow quite often. >> I don't >> know any perfect solutions, but in my opinion, it is good that some of >> the most obtrusive shortcuts are already (possibly) getting a >> non-default status. >> >> While I haven't lost any important work due to X.org zapping, I fail >> to see why a modern graphics system should have many keyboard >> shortcuts itself in such prominent places. >> >> I am also an Emacs user, though I haven't yet figured what control in >> Emacs is close to ctrl-alt-backspace. Maybe it's the Finnish layout >> that has something positioned more favourably... >> > > Try Ctrl-Alt-End or Ctrl-Alt-\. Emacs users can easily mistakenly type > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace when attempting these keystrokes especially on laptops. > But again, that doesn't mean we need to change default behaviors. What it > means is that the Emacs community needs to prepare special xorg.conf entries > for their purpose of disabling Ctrl-Alt-Backspace for them and not pushing a > huge change on the massive overall Xorg community. I haven't probably ever used those commands in Emacs. -- Joonas Sarajärvi muepsj@xxxxxxxxx -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
