Jack Tanner wrote: > It's still visible to this user. Even though sound device permissions are > set through HAL *by default*, pam_console is still a perfectly serviceable > alternative. Now, you're saying you want to take this alternative away. > That places the onus on you to make this transition bearable. (I'm not > arguing against hal/ck on technical merits, just their practical > ease-of-use today.) The point is that users shouldn't be murking with pam_console or HAL permissions at all. They shouldn't have to. It's the packagers' job to make the permissions be correct out of the box. Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list