I think it's time to retire pam_console from the default configuration. For device permissions, we already have the hal/consolekit support which should be use. The following packages place the following files in /etc/security/console.perms.d, and would need modified to work with HAL/CK: barry-libs: /etc/security/console.perms.d/10-blackberry.perms (quantumburnz) pam: /etc/security/console.perms.d/50-default.perms (tmraz) rainbow: /etc/security/console.perms.d/51-rainbow.perms (kantrn) em8300: /etc/security/console.perms.d/60-em8300.perms (heffer) jfbterm: /etc/security/console.perms.d/60-jfbterm.perms (mtasaka) thinkfinger: /etc/security/console.perms.d/60-thinkfinger.perms (?) svxlink-server: /etc/security/console.perms.d/90-svxlink.perms (lucilanga) vdr: /etc/security/console.perms.d/95-vdr.perms (scop) piklab: /etc/security/console.perms.d/icd2.perms (chitlesh) piklab: /etc/security/console.perms.d/pickit1.perms (chitlesh) piklab: /etc/security/console.perms.d/pickit2.perms (chitlesh) I'd be willing to chip in to get these fixed, it shouldn't be that hard. The second part of pam_console is that it provides the gating information for userhelper. There are many more apps that use this, and it's a more involved port to get them to use PolicyKit, or a similar framework. However, I don't see why we couldn't just port pam_ck_connector.so to drop the lock file in /var/run/console, and then usermode/userhelper can just work the same, without having to have a second extraneous pam module. We can then work on porting the other apps at our leisure. Opinions? Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list