On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Dimi Paun <dimi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Look Jeff, you are right that there were snide comments on each side. > But the pro-change people produced pretty good arguments for change: Good "persuasive" arguments come down to knowing what the priorities of the people you are trying to persuade are. > 1. both Windows and MacOS (between them they cover something like 95% > of computer users) use browser mode. These companies have done > extensive UI studies which we can't afford. > 2. like it or not, (1) + the Principle of least surprise it follows > that we shouldn't change from expected behavior lightly. > 3. all other major Linux distros (Ubuntu & Suse) use spacial, so > what kind of meaning is there left in "upstream"? > 4. the change was initially pushed without any consideration to > people preferences & expected behavior. If held to the same > standards, it should have never been implemented. If you were paying attention to the talk coming out of GNOME about the usability hackfest they had, you would know this isn't a persuasive argument. There has been a lot of chatter about significantly changing the desktop interface away from traditional usage patterns. If you have problems with spatial, I dare say that the gnome shell concept will in fact melt your mind. > 5. Google for "Ubuntu change nautilus to spatial mode" vs. > "Fedora change nautilus to browser mode". In the first case, > you get about 3500 hits (mostly of people _complaining_ about > spatial mode), whereas in the second case you get over 10000 > hits for people trying to change to browser mode, complaining > about spatial, or trying to vote for change. I do not believe in Google trending as a valid way to do statistically viable population sampling. I'm still looking for a peer reviewed scientific journal article which attempts to validate this technique. I'm not a fan of psuedo-science. > > Where there _any_ decent arguments for spatial? No, other than > a few people saying they like it, and plenty of suggestions for > going on wild goose chases. Thanks, but no thanks. > > If the community can not have input even in clear-cut scenarios > like this one, you have to understand that people will feel > frustrated and disappointed. Sad. Feel frustrated. Feel disappointed. Such things are your right as an irrational human being. Just as the developers are going to feel frustration and disappointment and how Mark as the leading proponent of change is handling this with his cross-posting and what not. We are way way way past constructive discussion. We were way past constructive discussion the moment Mark posted asking for a vote. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
