On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Dimi Paun <dimi@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > It's harder and harder to be part of Fedora's community: > most requests are shut down in a condescending manner, and > users are directed on wild goose chases and/or ridiculed. I'll play. Here are the rules: 1)This is not a democracy. Nor is GNOME a democracy. 2)Simply taken votes is by definition not a constructive way make or prevent a technical change either here in Fedora or in the upstream GNOME development community. 3)Package maintainers and co-maintainers have significant influence on default configuration choices and the extent to which they diverge from upstream's defaults. 4)Disagreements are going to happen and consensus cannot always be reached. Given all that.....when there are passionate disagreements over how to do things, exactly what would you suggest we do differently when having discussions concerning those disagreements? Here we have Mark and other people disagreeing with choices that have been made. They are very passionate about their opinion. The current maintainers and developers disagree. They've listened, the responded, they still disagree. So other than not agreeing what did they do wrong in their responses? What exactly do leaders in our meritocracy need to do better when they are compelled to inform people that they disagree and will not be making the requested change? What exactly should have been done differently in the main conversation in this thread that would have made people feel better about the decision to not change the default setting to what they believe is reasonable? I'm not seeing an imbalance in tone in the main conversation over the browser setting. I see an escalation on both sides. Dimi, here's what I know...from long long long experience at manipulating people in mailinglists for both good and evil intentions. If you want people to raise their level of discourse on a subject, you have to raise yours first. If your first post in the brawl is a sarcastic jab, like yours was, you aren't doing your part to raise that level of discourse and you pretty much forfeit your moral authority to call people out for being condescending. But I said I'd play. So let's play. What are people doing wrong in how they are communicating their disagreement? -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
