On Wed, 2022-05-04 at 10:36 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, May 4 2022 at 08:17:23 AM -0700, Adam Williamson > <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I get the perspective, but I'm not sure it's right. For a start, > > there's no email app, so - if we ignore the continued existence of > > Evolution, as GNOME seems determined to do, that means pretty much > > everyone is going to either use a completely non-GNOMEified app > > (Thunderbird), or a web service, to read their email. Both Thunderbird > > and every common webmail service I can think of can also handle > > contacts and calendar, so, why would someone take the trouble to use > > an > > app for those instead? > > Hi, we already have agreement to rename Geary to GNOME Mail and include > that in core after a few outstanding quality issues are fixed. Off the > top of my head: the unread mail counter is unreliable. It's pretty > close. Sadly, it's not actively maintained, so not getting any closer. > Needs a friendly maintainer before we can proceed. That seems to be the problem in a nutshell for me: resources. There seems to be a mismatch between GNOME's vision of what it wants to do, and the resources it actually has to do it. > Evolution is indeed not going to be included. > > Regarding your other points: a Contacts manager seems like basic > functionality to me. Ditto for Calendar. I'm not so sure about Photos. > We've never had much agreement on Photos. In theory, okay, maybe. If I was hired to whiteboard a desktop, yeah, I guess I would maybe pencil in a mail client and a contact manager and a calendar app. Apple has those, Android has them, I...think Windows does? Not sure. In practice, though, see above: it feels like the resources aren't there. It doesn't seem like there are enough developers or enough testers to actually build a *good* mail client and contact manager and calendar app and ensure consistent quality. It's also kinda telling to me that this hasn't caused the "scratch your own itch" response. I'm not finding or fixing bugs in those apps because I don't use them. I suspect the core, paid GNOME devs we have aren't fixing those apps because they don't use them either. Do you use Geary? Does Allan, or Matthias, or Ray, etc.? Do you use Contacts? Do you use Calendar? In production, so that if they're broken you can't do your job any more? I guess what I'm suggesting is, if in the real world we don't have enough people to build the thing we drew on the whiteboard, it's better to pragmatically figure out which bits of it aren't *really* necessary and cut those, than try to do everything without enough people and wind up shipping stuff that isn't really usable or used. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
